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Questions Tags Users Badges Unanswered Ask Question Take the 2-minute tour Take the 2-minute tour × Student 10 3 1 Answer coudy 5,692 19 49 active oldest votes -1 Let x, y :[a, b] R, a < b, a, b R be two smooth functions (x, y C ([a, b])). How can I prove that there is a unique function θ :[a, b] R, θ C ([a, b]) such that: x(t)sinθ(t)= y(t)cosθ(t), t [a, b]. (x(t 0 ), y(t 0 )) = (x 0 , y 0 ) ≠ (0, 0) is given θ(t 0 )= θ 0 is given too such that x(t 0 )sinθ(t 0 )= y(t 0 )cosθ(t 0 ). dg.differential-geometry smooth-manifolds share improve this question asked May 3 at 11:51 closed as off-topic by Deane Yang, Benoît Kloeckner, Igor Belegradek, Alex Degtyarev, Hugh Thomas May 3 at 14:33 This question appears to be off-topic. The users who voted to close gave these specific reasons: "MathOverflow is for mathematicians to ask each other questions about their research. See Math.StackExchange to ask general questions in mathematics." – Benoît Kloeckner, Hugh Thomas "This question does not appear to be about research level mathematics within the scope defined in the help center." – Deane Yang, Igor Belegradek, Alex Degtyarev If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center, please edit the question. 1 There cannot be uniqueness because your assumptions do not prevent x, y from vanishing on a subinterval, and on that subinterval θ can be chosen arbitrarily. – Igor Belegradek May 3 at 12:20 1 You need (x(t), y(t)) to be non-zero for all t. If the curve t (x(t), y(t)) spends some time at the origin, you can choose θ as you wish there. Assuming that (x, y) is non-zero, your question boils down to representing the curve in polar coordinates. Writing x = rcos(η), y = rcos(η), we get r(cosηsinθ − sinηcosθ)= rsin(θ η)=0 Given some initial condition, it is classical that we can choose η(t) uniquely if r is non-zero everywhere, by the fact that the standard projection R S 1 given by η (cos(η), sin(η)) is a covering map. Then η(t)− θ(t) must belong to π 2 mod π and thus by continuity, this difference is constant, the constant being given by the initial condition. EDIT: here is a counterexample to the existence of such θ when (x, y) is allowed to vanish. Choose a C function ϕ on R such that this function together with all its derivatives vanish at the origin. We take x(t)= ϕ(t)cos(1/ t), y(t)= ϕ(t)sin(1/ t) It is not difficult to show that x and y are smooth but the angle has no limit at t = 0. What is happening is that the vector (x(t), y(t)) is spinning very fast near the origin. share improve this answer edited May 3 at 15:13 answered May 3 at 12:22 It remains true (the uniqueness) when it is given that: (x(t), y(t)) = (0, 0) t {t 1 < t 2 < … < t n }? – Student May 3 at 12:29 Yes if the angle has a limit at each t i , in which case you can glue together the solutions on each of the intervals. But this may not be the case, see my answer. – coudy May 3 at 12:53 Asked 1 Month Ago Viewed 115 Times Active 1 Month Ago Related 5 Are smooth functions on an uncountable sum continuous? 2 Space of derivations of holomorphic (analytic) functions 18 What is meant by smooth orbifold? 3 The double of a smooth manifold with boundary? 4 On the smooth structure of the spaces of k-jets 0 Is this function on the surface smooth? 1 Cover a set with balls centered at smooth functions (Ascoli theorem) 0 Can a smooth function on a cross be extended to the whole plane? 4 Elementary Proof of the Uniqueness of Smooth Structures on R 1 Sequence of smooth maps converging to the identity MathOverflow is a question and answer site for professional mathematicians. It's 100% free, no registration required. Uniqueness of a smooth function [closed] sign up log in tour help search {

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-1Let x, y: [a, b] → R, a < b, a, b ∈ R be two smooth functions (x, y ∈ C∞([a, b])). How can I prove thatthere is a unique function θ : [a, b] → R, θ ∈ C∞([a, b]) such that:

x(t)sinθ(t) = y(t)cosθ(t), ∀ t ∈ [a, b].(x(t0), y(t0)) = (x0, y0) ≠ (0, 0) is given

θ(t0) = θ0 is given too such that x(t0)sinθ(t0) = y(t0)cosθ(t0).

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closed as off-topic by Deane Yang, Benoît Kloeckner, Igor Belegradek, Alex Degtyarev, HughThomas May 3 at 14:33

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1 There cannot be uniqueness because your assumptions do not prevent x, y from vanishing on a subinterval,and on that subinterval θ can be chosen arbitrarily. – Igor Belegradek May 3 at 12:20

1You need (x(t), y(t)) to be non-zero for all t. If the curve t ↦ (x(t), y(t)) spends some time at the origin,you can choose θ as you wish there.

Assuming that (x, y) is non-zero, your question boils down to representing the curve in polarcoordinates. Writing x = rcos(η), y = rcos(η), we get

r(cosηsinθ − sinηcosθ) = rsin(θ − η) = 0

Given some initial condition, it is classical that we can choose η(t) uniquely if r is non-zero everywhere,by the fact that the standard projection R ↦ S1 given by η ↦ (cos(η), sin(η)) is a covering map. Then

η(t) − θ(t) must belong to π2 mod π and thus by continuity, this difference is constant, the constant being

given by the initial condition.

EDIT: here is a counterexample to the existence of such θ when (x, y) is allowed to vanish. Choose a C∞

function ϕ on R such that this function together with all its derivatives vanish at the origin. We take

x(t) = ϕ(t)cos(1/t), y(t) = ϕ(t)sin(1/t)

It is not difficult to show that x and y are smooth but the angle has no limit at t = 0. What is happening isthat the vector (x(t), y(t)) is spinning very fast near the origin.

share improve this answer edited May 3 at 15:13 answered May 3 at 12:22

It remains true (the uniqueness) when it is given that: (x(t), y(t)) = (0, 0) ⟺ t ∈ {t1 < t2 < … < tn}? – Student May 3 at 12:29

Yes if the angle has a limit at each ti, in which case you can glue together the solutions on each of theintervals. But this may not be the case, see my answer. – coudy May 3 at 12:53

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