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Sacks dense ideals and Marczewski type null ideals

Wolfgang Wohofsky

Vienna University of Technology (TU Wien)

Winter School, Hejnice, February 4, 2015

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The real numbers: topology, measure, algebraic structure

The real numbers (“the reals”)

R, the classical real line

2ω, the Cantor space (totally disconnected, compact)

Structure on the reals:

natural topology (intervals/basic clopen sets form a basis)

standard (Lebesgue) measure

group structure

I (2ω,+) is a topological group, with + bitwise modulo 2

Two translation-invariant σ-ideals

I meager sets MI measure zero sets N

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The real numbers: topology, measure, algebraic structure

The real numbers (“the reals”)

R, the classical real line

2ω, the Cantor space (totally disconnected, compact)

Structure on the reals:

natural topology (intervals/basic clopen sets form a basis)

standard (Lebesgue) measure

group structure

I (2ω,+) is a topological group, with + bitwise modulo 2

Two translation-invariant σ-ideals

I meager sets MI measure zero sets N

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The real numbers: topology, measure, algebraic structure

The real numbers (“the reals”)

R, the classical real line

2ω, the Cantor space (totally disconnected, compact)

Structure on the reals:

natural topology (intervals/basic clopen sets form a basis)

standard (Lebesgue) measure

group structure

I (2ω,+) is a topological group, with + bitwise modulo 2

Two translation-invariant σ-ideals

I meager sets MI measure zero sets N

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Strong measure zero sets

For an interval I ⊆ R, let λ(I ) denote its length.

Definition (well-known)

A set X ⊆ R is (Lebesgue) measure zero (X ∈ N ) iffor each positive real number ε > 0there is a sequence of intervals (In)n<ω of total length

∑n<ω λ(In) ≤ ε

such that X ⊆⋃

n<ω In.

Definition (Borel; 1919)

A set X ⊆ R is strong measure zero (X ∈ SN ) iffor each sequence of positive real numbers (εn)n<ωthere is a sequence of intervals (In)n<ω with ∀n ∈ ω λ(In) ≤ εnsuch that X ⊆

⋃n<ω In.

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Strong measure zero sets

For an interval I ⊆ R, let λ(I ) denote its length.

Definition (well-known)

A set X ⊆ R is (Lebesgue) measure zero (X ∈ N ) iffor each positive real number ε > 0there is a sequence of intervals (In)n<ω of total length

∑n<ω λ(In) ≤ ε

such that X ⊆⋃

n<ω In.

Definition (Borel; 1919)

A set X ⊆ R is strong measure zero (X ∈ SN ) iffor each sequence of positive real numbers (εn)n<ωthere is a sequence of intervals (In)n<ω with ∀n ∈ ω λ(In) ≤ εnsuch that X ⊆

⋃n<ω In.

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Equivalent characterization of strong measure zero sets

For Y ,Z ⊆ 2ω, let Y + Z = {y + z : y ∈ Y , z ∈ Z}.

Key Theorem (Galvin,Mycielski,Solovay; 1973)

A set Y ⊆ 2ω is strong measure zero if and only iffor every meager set M ∈M, Y + M 6= 2ω.

Note that Y + M 6= 2ω if and only if Y can be “translated away” from M,i.e., there exists a t ∈ 2ω such that (Y + t) ∩M = ∅.

Key Definition

Let J ⊆ P(2ω) be arbitrary. Define

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

J ? is the collection of “J -shiftable sets”,i.e., Y ∈ J ? if Y can be translated away from every set in J .

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Equivalent characterization of strong measure zero sets

For Y ,Z ⊆ 2ω, let Y + Z = {y + z : y ∈ Y , z ∈ Z}.

Key Theorem (Galvin,Mycielski,Solovay; 1973)

A set Y ⊆ 2ω is strong measure zero if and only iffor every meager set M ∈M, Y + M 6= 2ω.

Note that Y + M 6= 2ω if and only if Y can be “translated away” from M,i.e., there exists a t ∈ 2ω such that (Y + t) ∩M = ∅.

Key Definition

Let J ⊆ P(2ω) be arbitrary. Define

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

J ? is the collection of “J -shiftable sets”,i.e., Y ∈ J ? if Y can be translated away from every set in J .

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Strongly meager sets

Key Definition (from previous slide)

Let J ⊆ P(2ω) be arbitrary. Define

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Key Theorem (Galvin,Mycielski,Solovay; 1973)

A set Y is strong measure zero if and only if it is “M-shiftable”, i.e.,

SN =M?

Replacing M by N yields a notion dual to strong measure zero:

Definition

A set Y is strongly meager (Y ∈ SM) if it is “N -shiftable”, i.e.,

SM := N ?

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Strongly meager sets

Key Definition (from previous slide)

Let J ⊆ P(2ω) be arbitrary. Define

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Key Theorem (Galvin,Mycielski,Solovay; 1973)

A set Y is strong measure zero if and only if it is “M-shiftable”, i.e.,

SN =M?

Replacing M by N yields a notion dual to strong measure zero:

Definition

A set Y is strongly meager (Y ∈ SM) if it is “N -shiftable”, i.e.,

SM := N ?

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Strongly meager sets

Key Definition (from previous slide)

Let J ⊆ P(2ω) be arbitrary. Define

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Key Theorem (Galvin,Mycielski,Solovay; 1973)

A set Y is strong measure zero if and only if it is “M-shiftable”, i.e.,

SN =M?

Replacing M by N yields a notion dual to strong measure zero:

Definition

A set Y is strongly meager (Y ∈ SM) if it is “N -shiftable”, i.e.,

SM := N ?

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Borel Conjecture + dual Borel Conjecture

Definition

The Borel Conjecture (BC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strong measure zero sets, i.e., SN =M? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(BC), actually BC holds in the Laver model (Laver, 1976)

Definition

The dual Borel Conjecture (dBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strongly meager sets, i.e., SM = N ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(dBC), actually dBC holds in the Cohen model (Carlson, 1993)

Theorem (Goldstern,Kellner,Shelah,W.; 2011)

There is a model of ZFC in which both the Borel Conjectureand the dual Borel Conjecture hold, i.e., Con(BC + dBC).

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Borel Conjecture + dual Borel Conjecture

Definition

The Borel Conjecture (BC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strong measure zero sets, i.e., SN =M? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(BC), actually BC holds in the Laver model (Laver, 1976)

Definition

The dual Borel Conjecture (dBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strongly meager sets, i.e., SM = N ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(dBC), actually dBC holds in the Cohen model (Carlson, 1993)

Theorem (Goldstern,Kellner,Shelah,W.; 2011)

There is a model of ZFC in which both the Borel Conjectureand the dual Borel Conjecture hold, i.e., Con(BC + dBC).

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Borel Conjecture + dual Borel Conjecture

Definition

The Borel Conjecture (BC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strong measure zero sets, i.e., SN =M? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(BC), actually BC holds in the Laver model (Laver, 1976)

Definition

The dual Borel Conjecture (dBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable strongly meager sets, i.e., SM = N ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

Con(dBC), actually dBC holds in the Cohen model (Carlson, 1993)

Theorem (Goldstern,Kellner,Shelah,W.; 2011)

There is a model of ZFC in which both the Borel Conjectureand the dual Borel Conjecture hold, i.e., Con(BC + dBC).

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Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC)

Assume that J ⊆ P(2ω) is a translation-invariant σ-ideal. Recall that

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Definition

The J -Borel Conjecture (J -BC) the statement that there areno uncountable J -shiftable sets, i.e., J ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

The Marczewski ideal s0 is the collection of all Z ⊆ 2ω such thatfor each perfect set P, there exists a perfect subset Q ⊆ P with Q ∩Z = ∅.

Definition

The Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable s0-shiftable sets, i.e., s0

? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

What about Con(MBC)?

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Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC)

Assume that J ⊆ P(2ω) is a translation-invariant σ-ideal. Recall that

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Definition

The J -Borel Conjecture (J -BC) the statement that there areno uncountable J -shiftable sets, i.e., J ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

The Marczewski ideal s0 is the collection of all Z ⊆ 2ω such thatfor each perfect set P, there exists a perfect subset Q ⊆ P with Q ∩Z = ∅.

Definition

The Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable s0-shiftable sets, i.e., s0

? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

What about Con(MBC)?

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Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC)

Assume that J ⊆ P(2ω) is a translation-invariant σ-ideal. Recall that

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Definition

The J -Borel Conjecture (J -BC) the statement that there areno uncountable J -shiftable sets, i.e., J ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

The Marczewski ideal s0 is the collection of all Z ⊆ 2ω such thatfor each perfect set P, there exists a perfect subset Q ⊆ P with Q ∩Z = ∅.

Definition

The Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable s0-shiftable sets, i.e., s0

? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

What about Con(MBC)?

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Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC)

Assume that J ⊆ P(2ω) is a translation-invariant σ-ideal. Recall that

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Definition

The J -Borel Conjecture (J -BC) the statement that there areno uncountable J -shiftable sets, i.e., J ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

The Marczewski ideal s0 is the collection of all Z ⊆ 2ω such thatfor each perfect set P, there exists a perfect subset Q ⊆ P with Q ∩Z = ∅.

Definition

The Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable s0-shiftable sets, i.e., s0

? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

What about Con(MBC)?

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Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC)

Assume that J ⊆ P(2ω) is a translation-invariant σ-ideal. Recall that

J ? := {Y ⊆ 2ω : Y + Z 6= 2ω for every set Z ∈ J }.

Definition

The J -Borel Conjecture (J -BC) the statement that there areno uncountable J -shiftable sets, i.e., J ? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

The Marczewski ideal s0 is the collection of all Z ⊆ 2ω such thatfor each perfect set P, there exists a perfect subset Q ⊆ P with Q ∩Z = ∅.

Definition

The Marczewski Borel Conjecture (MBC) is the statement that there areno uncountable s0-shiftable sets, i.e., s0

? = [2ω]≤ℵ0 .

What about Con(MBC)?

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Sacks dense ideals

Unlike BC and dBC, the status of MBC under CH is unclear. . .

Is MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) consistent with CH?

Or does CH even imply MBC?

To investigate the situation under CH, I introduced the following notion:

Definition

A collection I ⊆ P(2ω) is a Sacks dense ideal if

I is a σ-ideal,

I is translation-invariant,

I is dense in Sacks forcing, more explicitly, for each perfect P ⊆ 2ω,there is a perfect subset Q in the ideal, i.e., ∃Q ⊆ P, Q ∈ I.

Lemma (“Main Lemma”)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

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Sacks dense ideals

Unlike BC and dBC, the status of MBC under CH is unclear. . .

Is MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) consistent with CH?

Or does CH even imply MBC?

To investigate the situation under CH, I introduced the following notion:

Definition

A collection I ⊆ P(2ω) is a Sacks dense ideal if

I is a σ-ideal,

I is translation-invariant,

I is dense in Sacks forcing, more explicitly, for each perfect P ⊆ 2ω,there is a perfect subset Q in the ideal, i.e., ∃Q ⊆ P, Q ∈ I.

Lemma (“Main Lemma”)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

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Sacks dense ideals

Unlike BC and dBC, the status of MBC under CH is unclear. . .

Is MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) consistent with CH?

Or does CH even imply MBC?

To investigate the situation under CH, I introduced the following notion:

Definition

A collection I ⊆ P(2ω) is a Sacks dense ideal if

I is a σ-ideal,

I is translation-invariant,

I is dense in Sacks forcing, more explicitly, for each perfect P ⊆ 2ω,there is a perfect subset Q in the ideal, i.e., ∃Q ⊆ P, Q ∈ I.

Lemma (“Main Lemma”)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

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More and more Sacks dense ideals

Lemma (“Main Lemma”; from previous slide)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

In other words: s0? ⊆

⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}.

Can we (consistently) find many Sacks dense ideals under CH?

M N are Sacks dense ideals

$ $M∩N

$

E

SN is NOT a Sacks dense ideal, BUT. . .

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More and more Sacks dense ideals

Lemma (“Main Lemma”; from previous slide)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

In other words: s0? ⊆

⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}.

Can we (consistently) find many Sacks dense ideals under CH?

M N are Sacks dense ideals

$ $M∩N

$

E

SN is NOT a Sacks dense ideal, BUT. . .

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More and more Sacks dense ideals

Lemma (“Main Lemma”; from previous slide)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

In other words: s0? ⊆

⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}.

Can we (consistently) find many Sacks dense ideals under CH?

M N are Sacks dense ideals

$ $M∩N

$

E

SN is NOT a Sacks dense ideal, BUT. . .

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More and more Sacks dense ideals

Lemma (“Main Lemma”; from previous slide)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

In other words: s0? ⊆

⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}.

Can we (consistently) find many Sacks dense ideals under CH?

M N are Sacks dense ideals

$ $M∩N

$

E

SN is NOT a Sacks dense ideal, BUT. . .

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More and more Sacks dense ideals

Lemma (“Main Lemma”; from previous slide)

Assume CH. Let I be a Sacks dense ideal. Then s0? ⊆ I.

In other words: s0? ⊆

⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}.

Can we (consistently) find many Sacks dense ideals under CH?

M N are Sacks dense ideals

$ $M∩N

$

E

SN is NOT a Sacks dense ideal, BUT. . .

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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E

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ⊆ null-additive ⊆ SN ∩ SM

$⋂{If : f ∈ ωω} ∩ E0

⊆∃ uncount. Y ∈

⋂{Iα : α ∈ ω1}, for any ℵ1-sized family of Iα’s

$ ←− Theorem using strans0⋂{I : I is a Sacks dense ideal}

⊆ ←− “Main Lemma”

s0?

[2ω]≤ℵ0

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Y ∈ s0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p |[q] ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Definition

Y ∈ strans0 :⇐⇒ ∀p ∃q ≤ p ∀t ∈ 2ω |(t + [q]) ∩ Y | ≤ ℵ0

Theorem (using strans0 )

Let {Iα : α < ω1} be an ℵ1-sized family of Sacks dense ideals. Thenthere exists an uncountable set Y ∈

⋂α∈ω1

Iα.

Under CH, we can construct the set Y in such a way that Y ∈ strans0 .

Y ∈ strans0 implies that there is a Sacks dense ideal J with Y /∈ J .

Question

Does [2ω]≤ℵ0 =⋂{I : I is S.d.i.} (at least consistently) hold under CH?

If yes, MBC (i.e., s0? = [2ω]≤ℵ0) follows from CH (Con(MBC+CH), resp.).

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Thank you

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